Wow! How about that new Genesis!

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631grant said:
I've been to Europe many times and NEVER have I seen a pickup truck of the
size of the US version. Those workers get the job done and haul their tools
without a big truck. In fact, it is extremely rare to even see a small
pickup truck. They mainly use little panel trucks that work very well,
evidently. Point is that you don't NEED that F350 to haul a tool
box................
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I've been to Europe many times also and lived there for more than 4
months a couple of decades ago. Everything in Europe is smaller,
refrigerators were not much larger than my college dorm fridge and most
other appliances were similarly smaller. You don't need a large truck
to carry small stuff, I agree. However, many in the UK had to visit the
grocery store multiple times a week to get what they needed as they
could fit only so much in their refrigerators and small kitchens. This
isn't a problem when the store is 1 km distant, but I live 5 miles from
the nearest convenience store and 15 from the nearest real supermarket.
So, getting a jug of milk requires a 10 mile drive. I could buy an 8
cu ft fridge and drive to the store every other day, but I think it more
efficient to load my fridge once a week and save the driving. However,
this does require larger trucks to deliver such appliances, but I
believe the trade-off is in my favor.

Energy consumption is a complex system and often the "obviously" smart
choice is actually the wrong choice when the total system is evaluated.

Matt
 
631grant said:
Well, Mike, you have also bolstered my position that we will never progress
until we can buy and drive small cars and feel safe. That will not happen
until we outlaw, out-legislate, or out-tax the huge vehicles from our roads.
In the meantime, we are mired in the indecision and nearsightedness so
evident on this board and in our society.
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And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess,
anything larger than what YOU drive, right?

Matt
 
Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries
in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in
Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of
groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to
pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get
it delivered as part of the purchase.


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631grant said:
Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries
in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in
Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of
groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to
pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get
it delivered as part of the purchase.
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You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a
large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and
dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't
change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.

I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own
firewood, etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...

Matt
 
And why did I lose credibility, Rob. Just because you didn't watch it
either? Sometimes the facts are hard to accept, I know.
 
Matt, Matt, Matt.
Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in
your posts.
For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard
for what fuel
mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
than your current vehicle is wasteful."
While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
such with the 'less mileage'.

AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.

AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
guess,
anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.

Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like.
I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in.
It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a
month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I
pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.
 
631grant said:
Matt, Matt, Matt.
Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in
your posts.
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It was an accurate statement, neither nice nor not nice.

For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard
for what fuel
mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
than your current vehicle is wasteful."
While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
such with the 'less mileage'.
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It suggests nothing about what I think. It suggests what I thought the
other poster was thinking. Big difference.

AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.
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No, it suggests that I don't like hypocrites.

AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
guess,
anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.
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They neither state nor even suggest any such thing. Time to learn how
to read and, more importantly, comprehend what you read.

Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like.
I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in.
It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a
month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I
pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.
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Nah, I don't want a Kia.

Matt
 
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful
trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone
to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only
have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the
truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They
have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
your drivel.......
 
Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can
comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait
you guys into arguing about anything. :o) It just points out that everyone
has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind
what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any
other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that
is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us
is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to
write it.
 
jp103 said:
I saw it at the Detroit Auto Show and was impressed by the interior but
prefer the Azera's exterior. If it came down to the two I think I would
chose the Azera as it would be more than adequate for my needs and
probably 5k cheaper, although who knows what the price of the 6 cyl.
will be (perhaps equal to the Azera but that wouldn't make much
marketing sense to me. On the other hand I would also test drive the
Genesis and then who knows????
John
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The above post is on-topic and coherent. It does not contain any
political rants or personal invective.

I demand the moderators blacklist this poster immediately as
unsuitable for this group.
 
631grant said:
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other
wasteful trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire
someone to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood
so I only have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the
weight of the truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see
in Europe. They have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
your drivel.......
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Should the Gov. regulate food? Some people eat A LOT!! How about
electricity? medicine? Perhaps the size of your home or the amount of land
you own. Who needs a 1700' driveway, that is a tremendous waste of a natural
resource. (land) We all know Bill Gates has no right to consume all of that
money. I guess you know better than us common idiot folk. Good thing we have
your kind looking out for us. Produce a small vehicle that people like and
it'll sell.
 
PB-

I'm sorry I'm just an eco-hugging,gas guzzling,diesel spewing,whale
loving, snail darter killing, liberal,conservative,democratic,republican
independent that thought this newsgroup was about people interested in
Hyundais. I'll go back to my 200 room house that has wind power and
solar heating and watch my big screen tv and quietly monitor the various
points of view being expressed while sitting in my boxers cuz the
thermostats cranked up to 80 degrees (I set it back since it's dark out
now). I will try to be totally off topic from now on.
 
Rev.,

I agree....on my 3rd Hyundai!

When I have more time, I'll read the MANY threads to the original post.


Steve
 
With all of his lights on!!!!


Steve



Matt Whiting said:
That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply
point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that
gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.

Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in jets
and complaining about global warming.

Matt
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631grant said:
Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can
comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait
you guys into arguing about anything. :o) It just points out that everyone
has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind
what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any
other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that
is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us
is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to
write it.
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Ha, ha, ha... You have yet to figure out who is the fish and who is the
fisherman.
 
631grant said:
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful
trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone
to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only
have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the
truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They
have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.
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And it is better that someone else plow my driveway with their 17 MPG
truck rather than me plow it with my 18 MPG truck? Sorry, but that
logic isn't logical.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
your drivel.......
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If you think what I wrote is drivel, then that confirms your lack of
reading comprehension.

You are just too easy and just can't help yourself from responding to
everything I write.
 
Let me tell you about that Prius. I had the "luxury" of renting one this
week in snowy Wyoming. It's definitely NOT a cold weather car. It's that you
can power on the system and start driving right away...however, the little 4
banger takes a long time to warm up. Aside from that, not sure that
America's willing to give up the rush of mashing a throttle in being pushed
back into your seat. The Prius doesn't do that. I would even think of
attempting to pass on a 2 lane highway. The acceleration stinks! Hybrids are
cool, I'm all about the environment, but couldn't Toyota put a little more
zip into this thing? I would utilize it in the lower half of the US and in a
metropolitan city. Maybe the Camry Hyrbid has some power.

The backup camera in reverse was cool though!!!


--
Steve

2008 Hyundai Sonata SE- His
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee- Hers
1997 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE- Ours


Home for sale in NW AZ near Las Vegas:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/530237885.html
 
jp103 said:
PB-

I'm sorry I'm just an eco-hugging,gas guzzling,diesel spewing,whale
loving, snail darter killing, liberal,conservative,democratic,republican
independent that thought this newsgroup was about people interested in
Hyundais.
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Naw, don't care none bout no Hyundais. Don't even know where 't
hell Hyundai is. Prob'ly bunch 'o turbo heads anyways. Fox News'l
have maps iffen we haveta invade to liberate them and there o-i-l.

Google fer my recipe for Spotted Owl stuffed with Snail Darters
Smoked over Old Growth Redwood.
 
There ya go Hank!!!

I was wondering the same thing!!!

Although, this thread has had me in stitches while on a layover in Denver
back to Vegas...
--
Steve

2008 Hyundai Sonata SE- His
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee- Hers
1997 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE- Ours


Home for sale in NW AZ near Las Vegas:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/530237885.html
 

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