Wow! How about that new Genesis!

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The fact of the matter is, if you took the time to understand that the
point of the Energy Tax Act, when created, was to exempt large trucks
from having to have the same gas mileage as passenger cars do. Back
THEN, people used light trucks for utilitarian purposes. That isn't
true today. Car makers use this gaping loophole to make Hummers,
Navigators, and other vehicles and call them "trucks" because of their
weight or the way the square footage come out. They are as utilitarian
as tits on a bull. Nowadays, people don't buy Hummers or Navigators or
crew-cab trucks because they use them for "work", they buy them
because they can and have all the money in the world to blow on gas or
diesel.
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Do you ever actually pay attention to who really drives those big diesel
duelies? Check it out - most are used for real hauling. Navigators - I
agree with you on that point, as well as those who buy Hummers. But - they
pay the price not you or I, so what either of us think about it does not
matter. You may well be a bigger user of gas than either of those,
depending on the number of miles you put on in your Sonata each year.

Why should someone's "work" truck consume at twice the rate my car
does and not pay any penalty just because of a loophole in a law?
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And why should they pay a penalty beyond the price they already pay for the
vehicle and fuel? You're starting to sound like you're all about penalizing
anyone who does not fit into your definition of what is acceptable.
 
Thee said:
Dude, the 08 4-cyl Sonata gets better gas mileage and has more
horsepower than my 02. 09 Sonata is supposed to be even better. I am
hoping my 02 lasts until Hyundai comes out with their Hybrids (2011?
2012?).
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That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply
point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that
gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.

Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in
jets and complaining about global warming.

Matt
 
Thee said:
You don't even see the irony in it all. I never mentioned global
warming. I am talking about rate of consumption. Big difference.
Please continue to support the Chinese and Arab economies, they're
depending on you.
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And you with that gas guzzling Sonata that doesn't even get 30 MPG.
 
Mike said:
And why should they pay a penalty beyond the price they already pay for the
vehicle and fuel? You're starting to sound like you're all about penalizing
anyone who does not fit into your definition of what is acceptable.
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That is exactly what he is about.
 
Why should someone's "work" truck consume at twice the rate my car
does and not pay any penalty just because of a loophole in a law?
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They pay twice as much to go the same distance

Nobody drives Fiats in this country and to say people drive "go-karts"
shows us how much of a manly man you are by insulting the group.
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Didn't insult me... Your socialism does. I drive a 06 Sonata 6 cyl. Does
that mean I'm screwing the rest of you because I did not get the 4 cyl? I
own a 07 F150 8' bed...6 cyl. Does that mean I'm some kind of evil person
for owning a long bed truck...or maybe I'm a saint because it's only a 6
cyl. I don't have a 4 door 8 cyl because I can't afford one. If I could and
I wanted one the gov. has no business telling me what to drive. It's called
free market economics, build a vehicle that people like more than their SUVs
and they will buy them. I have no problem with SUV getting NO special
treatment but I do have a problem with them being penalized because some
liberal tree hugger thinks they're evil.
 
Thee Chicago Wolf said:
Right. That's why old people drive in the biggest boats they can find.
Your point is very dull.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
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They drive boats because they are comfortable. Be careful though... some
of those "boats" are likely to get better MPG than your Sonata. I've rented
Park Avenues and some Cadillac's that got excellent MPG.
 
jp103 said:
Is that a forward, rear or swivel mounted canon? I personally prefer the
forward mounted to clear the left-lane laggards! With a good strong rear
bumper tailgaters won't bother me.

John
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With all the diesel smoke, no one will tailgate.

 
That is exactly what he is about.
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Matt, we all know you have no valid opinion. You just zing from the
outskirts and have no position. Troll.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Geesh,ATLEAST use the right countries I'm supporting...Like The United
States,(we do still produce our own oil you know)Canada, Venezuela,Russia
THEN Saudi Arabia. Don't forget Korea (Elantra)...LOL..MORON...
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It's pointless to argue with you because you seem to believe what USA
Today tells you is truth. Sorry, you are not correct.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply
point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that
gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.

Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in
jets and complaining about global warming.
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Matt, again, you're twisting the argument to suit your logical
fallacy. I think we already figured you read Republican 101 material
with these arguments (or Ann Coulter???) because it's easier for you
to go on tangents rather than stick to the original point of the
argument. Does the term non sequitur mean anything to you because it's
what you just did. As usual, you've nothing that constitutes a
position and choose cheap zings and pot shots as a statement of fact.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I don't OWN a Prius? I don't WANT to
own a Prius because, for my purposes, family size, and overall use,
it's too small. The point, originally, is that SUV's and large trucks
are not subject to what's in the Energy Tax Act of 78. That's all I
ever stated, you added all this garbage, not me. I said to level the
playing field, not complain about trucks. I can complain with the best
of them but it's just opinion. Buy whatever friggin vehicle you want
but bring the law up to date with today's vehicles. Are you clear on
this point now? It's not possible to make it any more lucid. I'm not
speaking in Chinese.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply
point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that
gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.

Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in
jets and complaining about global warming.
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Matt, again, you're twisting the argument to suit your logical
fallacy. I think we already figured you read Republican 101 material
with these arguments (or Ann Coulter???) because it's easier for you
to go on tangents rather than stick to the original point of the
argument. Does the term non sequitur mean anything to you because it's
what you just did. As usual, you've nothing that constitutes a
position and choose cheap zings and pot shots as a statement of fact.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I don't OWN a Prius? I don't WANT to
own a Prius because, for my purposes, family size, and overall use,
it's too small. The point, originally, is that SUV's and large trucks
are not subject to what's in the Energy Tax Act of 78. That's all I
ever stated, you added all this garbage, not me. I said to level the
playing field, not complain about trucks. I can complain with the best
of them but it's just opinion. Buy whatever friggin vehicle you want
but bring the law up to date with today's vehicles. Are you clear on
this point now? It's not possible to make it any more lucid. I'm not
speaking in Chinese.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Thee said:
Matt, again, you're twisting the argument to suit your logical
fallacy. I think we already figured you read Republican 101 material
with these arguments (or Ann Coulter???) because it's easier for you
to go on tangents rather than stick to the original point of the
argument. Does the term non sequitur mean anything to you because it's
what you just did. As usual, you've nothing that constitutes a
position and choose cheap zings and pot shots as a statement of fact.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I don't OWN a Prius? I don't WANT to
own a Prius because, for my purposes, family size, and overall use,
it's too small. The point, originally, is that SUV's and large trucks
are not subject to what's in the Energy Tax Act of 78. That's all I
ever stated, you added all this garbage, not me. I said to level the
playing field, not complain about trucks. I can complain with the best
of them but it's just opinion. Buy whatever friggin vehicle you want
but bring the law up to date with today's vehicles. Are you clear on
this point now? It's not possible to make it any more lucid. I'm not
speaking in Chinese.
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What does this have to do with the ETA 78?

"Why should the rest of America pay for your overconsumption of gas? So
what if you have the money, you anti-americanism stinks."

Or this?

"No one needs a crew-cab V8 with 8ft bed or
dualie to get groceries or drive to the office. Same for Hummers, same
for Navigators, same for blah blah blah. But, people can do whatever
they want with their money. If you can afford it, good for you. Don't
screw the rest of the American populous in the interim with you
obsession with waste and consumerism. Exxon is happy that you've
helped them break a global record for profit on gas this past year.
Yay for you. May the Arab Oil Czars put their blessing on you and your
family. Allah Ahkbar."

You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard for what fuel
mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
than your current vehicle is wasteful.

I'm simply pointing out your elitism and hypocrisy. I'm sorry it
stings, but sometimes that is the way the truth is.

Matt
 
Thee said:
Matt, again, you're twisting the argument to suit your logical
fallacy. I think we already figured you read Republican 101 material
with these arguments (or Ann Coulter???) because it's easier for you
to go on tangents rather than stick to the original point of the
argument. Does the term non sequitur mean anything to you because it's
what you just did. As usual, you've nothing that constitutes a
position and choose cheap zings and pot shots as a statement of fact.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I don't OWN a Prius? I don't WANT to
own a Prius because, for my purposes, family size, and overall use,
it's too small. The point, originally, is that SUV's and large trucks
are not subject to what's in the Energy Tax Act of 78. That's all I
ever stated, you added all this garbage, not me. I said to level the
playing field, not complain about trucks. I can complain with the best
of them but it's just opinion. Buy whatever friggin vehicle you want
but bring the law up to date with today's vehicles. Are you clear on
this point now? It's not possible to make it any more lucid. I'm not
speaking in Chinese.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
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Posting it twice doesn't add any credibility.
 
Thee said:
Matt, we all know you have no valid opinion. You just zing from the
outskirts and have no position. Troll.
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Ha, ha, ha... More entertainment, but not as good as before. Try to up
your game a little.
 
Thee said:
Matt, we all know you have no valid opinion. You just zing from the
outskirts and have no position. Troll.
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Funny, it seems that the opinions of the group are running unanimously
against you. So who has the more valid opinion?
 
benick said:
I suppose next you will be whining that my house is to big as well and we
need laws to regulate square footage per person....Socialist moonbat.....
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You may have made that comment in jest, but exactly that was suggested by a
writer to the Editor of the Hartford Courant. Inspired by a couple of
recent articles about farmland being developed and lack of starter houses, a
writer suggested that couple with no children be made to move from their
large homes so others with greater need for space for families can take them
over. Older couples should move to a condo or small apartment.
 
Rob said:
They drive boats because they are comfortable. Be careful though... some
of those "boats" are likely to get better MPG than your Sonata. I've
rented Park Avenues and some Cadillac's that got excellent MPG.
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Point of fact - I owned a Buick Park Avenue Ultra with a supercharged 3.8L
V-6. I put over 225,000 miles on that car in complete luxury, and it easily
rolled its way down the interstate at over 30mpg. Around town the car got
24mpg. Talk about fast... the supercharged 3.8 was just fast. Great car.
But of course, it was one of those "boats"...
 

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