2006 Sonata oil filter

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Eric said:
I have the same problem with my door handle. Guess I'll mention it on my
next visit to the dealer. It didn't annoy me enough so far to think of it
when I was there. But it does seem to be happening more often.

Eric

Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the
trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was two
days after I picked it up). The dealer said he had no idea why they had
to change them, but this piece is right behind the handle and fairs it
into the body. I wonder if that is causing the failure to close and is
the reason for the recall.

Matt
 
Matt said:
That wasn't my recollection, but unfortunately the web site now has the
07 models. The big difference was the V-6 vs. the 4, not the trip
levels. Even the automatic trans doesn't add that much weight, it was
the engine and the heavier suspension required to support it that
appears to be the big difference. Even for the 07 models the Limited
(which appears to be the successor to the LX) and the SE (appears to be
similar to the former GXL-V6) have identical weights. The GLS
(successor to the GL) weighs more than 200 lbs less than the SE and
Limited with the standard transmission and just under 200 lbs less with
the automatic. 200 lbs makes a difference on a car that weighs less
than 3500 lbs.

The standard shift tranny also has a slightly lower final drive ratio
than the 5 speed automatic (althought it is higher than the 4 speed auto
if the web site is correct - but this doesn't seem right so I'm
wondering if they made a typo). However, not knowing the 1st gear
ratios I don't know if the overall ratio is less or more for the 4
cylinder. I'm guessing it is a fair bit lower given the relatively
minor performance difference from the 50% more torque in the V-6. I
suspect that much of that torque advantage is lost in the gearing.

I meant to also post this link to the weights.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/specs/specs.aspx
 
Matt said:
That wasn't my recollection, but unfortunately the web site now has the
07 models. The big difference was the V-6 vs. the 4, not the trip
levels. Even the automatic trans doesn't add that much weight, it was
the engine and the heavier suspension required to support it that
appears to be the big difference. Even for the 07 models the Limited
(which appears to be the successor to the LX) and the SE (appears to be
similar to the former GXL-V6) have identical weights. The GLS
(successor to the GL) weighs more than 200 lbs less than the SE and
Limited with the standard transmission and just under 200 lbs less with
the automatic. 200 lbs makes a difference on a car that weighs less
than 3500 lbs.

The standard shift tranny also has a slightly lower final drive ratio
than the 5 speed automatic (althought it is higher than the 4 speed auto
if the web site is correct - but this doesn't seem right so I'm
wondering if they made a typo). However, not knowing the 1st gear
ratios I don't know if the overall ratio is less or more for the 4
cylinder. I'm guessing it is a fair bit lower given the relatively
minor performance difference from the 50% more torque in the V-6. I
suspect that much of that torque advantage is lost in the gearing.


Matt

Actually, isn't the aluminum block 2.7L *lighter* than the cast iron
block 2.4L?

Is the 3.3L a cast iron block?

BTW - HP is a silly figure, the greater torque curve dictates the
drivability of a car, the peak torque/HP means much less than most
people want to put into it..

I do miss my Explorer's ungodly low-end torque... I don't miss the pansy
french-built transmissions said torque destroyed...

JS
 
On mine, if it's stuck out, the car won't lock with the key fob! You think
it's locked but it's not! Suprise Suprise.
 
Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the
trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was
two days after I picked it up). The dealer said he had no idea why
they had to change them, but this piece is right behind the handle and
fairs it into the body. I wonder if that is causing the failure to
close and is the reason for the recall.

Matt

I was not aware of that "recall" but I will check into it. What you
describe as being replaced seems like the exact spot that is causing me the
problem.

Eric
 
I meant to also post this link to the weights.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/specs/specs.aspx

The 07's don't really compare. My GLS only has 16" wheels. I would
imagine that is probably 50 lbs. right there, but admittedly, that is a
guess. I can only guess at the rest too, since none of the car
magazines that I read tested a GLS V6 (all LX's), but you've got a few
other things that could easily add up to 50 lbs. or more.

The final drive ratio is so small of a difference it is insignificant,
but like you said, the 5 gear ratios could be different. Although both
being 5 speeds I would suspect they are similar too.

If you have ever been into reading the car magazines like I have for the
last 25 years, you would know that the numbers even they come up with
are variable and not always accurate. Car and Driver seems to have the
most consistant numbers and it put the LX at 6.6 seconds to 60 MPH. I'd
be willing to bet that the GL I4 would be in the low 8's for a 0-60 run.
That is a very significant difference. You don't just add 50% more
torque and HP and reduce your times by 50%, even if you could keep the
weight the same. It is far from a linear relationship.

Eric
 
On mine, if it's stuck out, the car won't lock with the key fob! You
think it's locked but it's not! Suprise Suprise.

Don't you open the door from the INSIDE to get out :-) I do, and haven't
had that problem yet. I really hate when I am getting in the car and I
close the door only to have it pop open again.

Eric
 
JS said:
Actually, isn't the aluminum block 2.7L *lighter* than the cast iron
block 2.4L?

Is the 3.3L a cast iron block?

I don't know. I was going simply by the GVW published by Hyundai.

BTW - HP is a silly figure, the greater torque curve dictates the
drivability of a car, the peak torque/HP means much less than most
people want to put into it..

I agree. Torque is the name of the game for all practical purposes.
Horsepower's only relevance is for top speed.

Matt
 
Eric said:
I was not aware of that "recall" but I will check into it. What you
describe as being replaced seems like the exact spot that is causing me the
problem.

They replaced all four of these little plastic pieces on my car. My
door handles worked fine before and after, so I was scratching my head.
And then the dealer admitted that they didn't know the purpose for
that particular recall either. They did mine at the same time they did
the seat recline lever, the cup holder insert and the headliner adhesive.


Matt
 
Eric said:
The 07's don't really compare. My GLS only has 16" wheels. I would
imagine that is probably 50 lbs. right there, but admittedly, that is a
guess. I can only guess at the rest too, since none of the car
magazines that I read tested a GLS V6 (all LX's), but you've got a few
other things that could easily add up to 50 lbs. or more.

I'm 95% sure that the 06 figures were similar with the V-6 models coming
in ~200 lbs heavier than the I-4. Unfortunately, I don't see an archive
with the 06 data at the Hyundai web site.

The final drive ratio is so small of a difference it is insignificant,
but like you said, the 5 gear ratios could be different. Although both
being 5 speeds I would suspect they are similar too.

Usually standard transmission cars are geared much lower than the
automatics so I suspect that the 3.77 really should be for the 5 speed
manual and the 3.44 for the 4-speed automatic. Then the 3.33 for the 5
speed automatic would be consistent as it could handle a higher final
drive ratio as it likely has a lower 1st gear given the extra gearset.

If you have ever been into reading the car magazines like I have for the
last 25 years, you would know that the numbers even they come up with
are variable and not always accurate. Car and Driver seems to have the
most consistant numbers and it put the LX at 6.6 seconds to 60 MPH. I'd
be willing to bet that the GL I4 would be in the low 8's for a 0-60 run.
That is a very significant difference. You don't just add 50% more
torque and HP and reduce your times by 50%, even if you could keep the
weight the same. It is far from a linear relationship.

I was using the numbers Hyundai published. I don't see why they would
have any reason to intentionally skew the V-6 vs. the 4 cylinder. I
suspect their profit margin is larger on the V-6 so if anything the
would want to make the V-6 look better against the 4 rather than worse.

Since F=ma, if the torque is 50% greater then the acceleration will be
50% greater also since this is a linear relationship.

However, since x(t) = 1/2*a*t^2, t=sqrt((2*x(t)/a)), the difference in
time will vary as to the square root of the change in acceleration. So
a 50% increase in acceleration will yield only a 22% reduction in time
over a given distance (say 1/4 mile). However, this assumes all else is
equal, which it isn't as the V-6 is a couple of hundred pounds heavier
and has different gear ratios. I believe the performance posted by
Hyundai had the performance difference being only in the 10% range. I
posted the stats a while back, but don't remember them precisely from
memory now.


Matt
 
They replaced all four of these little plastic pieces on my car. My
door handles worked fine before and after, so I was scratching my
head.
And then the dealer admitted that they didn't know the purpose for
that particular recall either. They did mine at the same time they
did the seat recline lever, the cup holder insert and the headliner
adhesive.


Matt

My handle works fine about 98% of the time too, so if you had the car
only two days before the work was done, you may not have experienced the
problem. All of the other "recalls" you mention were done on my car
before I picked it up.

Eric
 
well...one more time...I got 06 Sonata V-6 filters from Haddah Hyundai in
Springfield Mass for $6.75 with free shipping...the freeshipping was only
for the month of March. I also ordered cabin air filters and engine air
filters for Cheap!!! This is the third time I have posted this
message...so if you guys want to pay 20 bucks...go ahead!!
http://www.haddadhyundaiparts.com/
800-444-2442
 
Can't speak for anyone else but I looked at Haddah when you first
mentioned it. OK, no online ordering and no price lists. Might be a
fine dealer but having to order by email or a phonecall is kind of last
century.
 
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