Poor resale value-would I be able to sell it?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Robin, Jan 11, 2004.

  1. Robin

    Robin Guest

    I've now decided to go with Hyundai, just not sure which model yet. A
    nagging concern is this - I like to buy a new car every 5 yrs or so. If
    I purchased the XG350 (or Sonata), will I be able to sell it in 5 yrs or
    would I have to almost be giving it away, or perhaps be unable to find
    any buyer?(Question assumes the car is in good condition, well
    maintained). For longer time Hyundai owners, how do you handle this
    issue? Trading it in?
    Thx,
    Robin
     
    Robin, Jan 11, 2004
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  2. Robin

    Briggs Guest

    I can't answer this question Robin, but what made you come to your decision?
     
    Briggs, Jan 11, 2004
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  3. Robin

    windmere Guest

    Robin, I'm really surprised at this news. I know you did lots of research,
    so you must know that resale value is based on what people will pay, and
    that is based on public perception and reputation. Even if Hyundai currently
    made the most solid, best engineered cars on the planet today, and half of
    all Hondas were lemons, the resale value of a Sonata would still be less
    than the Accord in 5 years - because it takes longer than that for
    perception to catch up with reality. People in general believe Japanese cars
    are more reliable and better built than Korean cars. (even though I have
    learned that is a myth, society still believes it). Any listing of used
    vehicles will show you that Hyundais depreciate much faster than Hondas or
    Toyotas, even if this is completely unjust. You would be better off buying a
    2 year old Sonata, which has already depreciated, if you plan to sell it in
    5 years. All you have to do is take it to an independent mechanic and get it
    fully inspected, and see all the maintenance receipts. It will still have
    part of the warranty as well. However - I realize that if you really want a
    car that isn't going to work for you.

    I drove my new Hyundai for 18 years - it had no resale value after about 15
    years. This is the only way you will get your money's worth. If that is not
    your lifestyle, you will need to justify your total car expense somehow on a
    spreadsheet, because resale price has to be considered, not just insurance,
    gas, repairs, and initial cost of the new car. After 5 years you will be
    buying a new car again, prices will be higher, and you will lose much of
    what you put into the Sonata. It makes no sense - if you don't mind losing
    the money, then you should lease if you only keep cars 5 years, and don't
    get attached to them, and don't really enjoy making them last, or get bored
    with them. In leasing you are only paying for the portion of the car's life
    that you use; then you give it back. If you do mind losing money, you should
    keep the car at least ten years. If it's a good car, why wouldn't you want
    to?

    It is a personal choice, I am just mentioning the usual arguments. Let us
    hope that in 5 years, the resale value of the higher end Hyundais will be
    decent.

    You see, I am also struggling with myself because I love the Accent. It is a
    beautiful, and petite, and highly rated car, an honest and simple car which
    I want. When I see one, I have to stare at it (the hatchback) because it is
    so pretty. I will get out of my car and study it, and compare it to my
    hideous, hulk-like Toyota. But I know if I want to trade it in anytime in my
    lifetime, I will get nothing, because the depreciation is massive. A simple
    look at used car ads shows me this. And that is why I may get a used
    one....or realize that if I buy it, I'm buying it for life. But you don't
    have to listen to me. I'm the fool who thinks Hyundai is better than
    Toyota.....
     
    windmere, Jan 11, 2004
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  4. We generally keep a car for about 10 years (average) so NONE of them have
    much resale value!

    Just remember when you trade in a Hyundai and get less than you would on
    another make....you initially PAID less for the Hyundai than you would have
    for another make.

    I got the 2004 XG350L in October and it is a fantastic car! We also have a
    2001 Elantra GLS for the older daughter and a 2003 Elantra GT-5 door for
    the younger daughter. All are reliable transportation with lots of features
    for the price paid compared to Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc.

    Also remember you are getting a 5 year/60,000 bumper-to-bumper (virtually)
    warranty with free unlimited roadside assistance/towing for 5 years, and 10
    year/100,000mile warranty on the power train. You will NOT get that with
    another make. This gives me "peace of mind". MOST warranties don't even
    last as long as your payments...so then you are still making your monthly
    payments AND having to pay for repairs!
     
    Cathy De Viney, Jan 11, 2004
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  5. Robin

    Briggs Guest

    Which you can also upgrade to a 10 year /100,000 miles bumper to bumper,
    which includes a car rental. (Warranty 4B)
     
    Briggs, Jan 11, 2004
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  6. Robin

    Robin Guest

    LOL.


    I know you did lots of research,
    Just curious - what did you do with it?


    This is the only way you will get your money's worth. If that is not
    AFter 5 years, any car I've owned begins to look dated to me,
    unattractive. I actually feel that way now about my 2001 Accord,
    although I still find the interior attractive and enjoy the ride very
    much. If I owned this car (rather than having leased it), I would be
    keeping it another few years but I know around the 5-6 yr mark, the then
    even more dated exterior would bother me to the point I would be looking
    for a new car.

    But Windmere, if I remember from what I saw on the Hyundai lot last
    night, they're only $11,000-$12,000 or so, perhaps by pitting dealers
    against each other, you could get it down even lower. You keep cars a
    VERY long time. It would owe you nothing after ten years, and if you're
    ready for another one, give the Accent to charity or as a wonderful gift
    to a low income family you know. I can see that car would give you
    tremendous pleasure, you are worth it, and deserve to be happy.

    Well everything you said in this post about resale value is how I see it
    too. So the next decision I have to struggle with is whether to lease
    again (which means it wouldn't be a Hyundai - whaaaaa!), or gamble on
    Hyundai's marketing efforts resulting in improved resale values in 5
    years.

    Robin



    A simple
     
    Robin, Jan 11, 2004
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  7. Robin

    Robin Guest

    Between this NG, The Hyundai Connection and another Hyundai site, I have
    become convinced communicating with Hyundai owners who have purchased
    Hyundai's for years up to recently, that this isn't a junk car (as was
    my perception based on no knowledge whatsoever), there's tremendous
    value for what you pay, and that any make has its problems.
    Robin
     
    Robin, Jan 11, 2004
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  8. Robin

    Old_Timer Guest

    There is not sure way to forecast the future but you can review the
    past to aid in coming to conclusions.

    For example go to www.edmunds.com to look up the present value of used
    cars.

    First look up the value of a 2000 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6.

    Then look up the present value of other 2000 year models that were of
    similar size and price. As an example the 2000 Chevrolet Malibu was
    similar. The MSRP was close to the GLS Sonata and it also had a V6
    engine. You will find that today the Sonata has a higher value as a
    used car than the Chevy.

    Make similar comparisons to other model year 2000 cars that were in
    the same class and price of the 2000 Sonata GLS and you will get a
    true picture of how much the Hyundai has depreciated in comparison to
    the others. You might be surprised to find that the Sonata has not
    suffered a depreciation that is out of line with some other popular
    makes.

    Old_Timer
     
    Old_Timer, Jan 11, 2004
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    windmere Guest

    I drove my new Hyundai for 18 years - it had no resale value after about
    15
    I still have it in my underground parking space to preserve it from the snow
    and rain. The newer car which is sturdier is parked outside. I am still
    deciding what to do, restore the Pony or give it away. I need to find a
    mechanic who will tell me honestly how much it will cost and whether it can
    be restored to driveable condition. If it costs more than a new car then
    it's not worth it, obviously. But it's hard to give it up.
    It is obvious that a car is not just an appliance to get you somewhere.
    Therefore you should get the one you love the most now and accept that you
    are going to trade it in when it becomes dated.
    If you really have this feeling of affection for the Hyundai you drove, you
    should get it. From previous posts I got the impression that you really
    liked the Honda best but wanted to save money. Preferring the Hyundai
    changes everything. The cost will probably balance out in the end and you
    will have pleasure in getting something you really wanted. I think you were
    looking forward to the change and the adventure so just go with your
    instincts and say, to heck with it, this is what I want and I'm going to get
    it.
     
    windmere, Jan 11, 2004
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    Xiaoding Guest

    This is why I buy used Hyundais. $5500 for 2001 hatch, with a stick,
    and this car is one sweet little rocket to drive! And CHEAP.

    Xiaoding
     
    Xiaoding, Jan 12, 2004
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  11. Robin

    Robin Guest

    Which model is that? The Elantra?
     
    Robin, Jan 12, 2004
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  12. Robin

    Robert Cohen Guest

    do the other cars being looked at (honda etal) have both front & side air bags?

    if not, then how does one put a $ value on having some side protection?

    what the hell are most of the other manufacturers thinking ?

    hyundai is the best value--including safest

    i take "safest" back, because the steely volvo with the side airbags is
    probably the safest

    congress should hold hearings about why the usual compact & mid-range american
    car does not have side air bags

    when i went car shopping a couple of years ago, i let the salesmen of the
    american side bag-less compacts know that i was giving 'em a fair shot

    and, damnit, the labor union (uaw) is also a fool for (apparently) not
    understanding what the side air bag protection means

    maybe i just don't get it, while it enrages me to think oif the stupid on-going
    reality

    meanwhile, the korean hyundai shames the u.s manufacturers
     
    Robert Cohen, Jan 12, 2004
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  13. Robin

    Xiaoding Guest

    Sorry, Accent L. My previous Hyundais all were auto, so I'm quite
    suprised by the way the stick car zooms.
     
    Xiaoding, Jan 13, 2004
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    Brenda Guest

    My 2002 Sante Fe is awarded 6 years 72,000 miles bumper to bumper
    warranty with 10 year roadside assistance with their false advertising
    on horsepower for it.

    VERY NICE!
     
    Brenda, Jan 29, 2004
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    Daniel Guest

    Hey, this is a very interesting thread guys !

    Here is my 0.02 to it:

    A national CAA survey (equivalent to the AAA) among 20000 respondants
    performed in 2003 revealed the average cost of maintenance for passenger
    vehicules is :

    age of car
    1 $200
    2 $350
    3 $500
    4 $800
    5 to12: $1100 per year

    Survey respondants claimed driving an average of 19k km per year, or app
    12k milles. (I am sure most respondants dont keep a detailed history of
    repair costs. So let's add a couple of hundred dollars to the age 5 -12
    figure.)

    In the last 12 months, I spent $1400 on my 1998 Max. I drove 22k km. It now
    has 103k km on the odometer.

    In my estimation, the economical break point for owning a vehicule is when
    it reaches 7-8 years old. At that point, the average yearly total cost of
    depreciation, repairs and capital cost is at minimum. Beyond 8 years, the
    average yearly cost does not get any significantly lower. As a matter of
    fact, you increase the risk of being stranded, car downtime, time lost while
    at shops, and loss of income if you depend on the car for such. The most
    economical strategy is to buy a used car between 2 and 5 years old and keep
    untill it reaches 7 or 8 years of age. A made myself a rule of thumb to
    seriously consider getting rid of the car if the last 12 months actual costs
    or next 12 months forecast exceeds $1500. But often emotions get in the way.
    Or life has other plans.
     
    Daniel, Jan 30, 2004
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  16. Robin

    Robin Guest

    Interesting, thanks for sharing this.
     
    Robin, Jan 30, 2004
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