OT: Safe Table Saw

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Rob, Apr 14, 2007.

  1. Rob

    Rob Guest

    For the wood workers in here. How cool is this thing.


     
    Rob, Apr 14, 2007
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  2. Funny, this has been posted by different people to different newsgroups on a
    regular basis, every few months. Seems like some sort of underground
    advertising campaign.
     
    Edwin Pawlowski, Apr 14, 2007
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  3. Rob

    Rob Guest

    First time I've seen it, thought it was something others might enjoy. I
    assure you I was not spamming.
     
    Rob, Apr 14, 2007
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  4. Rob

    ']['unez Guest

    DAMN !!!! I think I had that hot dog for supper tonight !!!

    ']['unez
     
    ']['unez, Apr 14, 2007
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  5. The demos are impressive, but what they don't tell you is that the
    braking system is prone to false activations, particularly in damp wood.
    Every time that happens, the blade is destroyed and the brake mechanism
    has to be replaced. That means a $200-$300 bill each time! If it saves a
    finger, it's obviously worth it, but that's a lot of money to pay for
    nothing. Unless you're the careless type, false activations are much
    more likely than the real thing. On top of that, their saw is at least
    50% more expensive than an equivalent quality product without the
    braking mechanism.

    If you maintain a healthy respect for power tools and take the time to
    learn use them properly, they're very safe. If you're careless or
    complacent, they can bite you.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Apr 14, 2007
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  6. Rob

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Just plain old spam.
     
    Matt Whiting, Apr 14, 2007
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  7. Rob

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Yes, that and that is just one of the reasons that no major saw maker
    has, last I knew, decided to include this device in one of their saws.
    This has been around from some time and isn't new news.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Apr 14, 2007
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  8. Rob

    Tom Guest

    That safety device has been around a long time and it could save a finger or
    two. I'm a woodworker but I haven't gotten it yet - knock on wood! :eek:)
     
    Tom, Apr 14, 2007
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  9. IIRC, there was a move afoot to try to force companies - through
    lawsuits - to install it on their products. That kind of tactic leaves
    me cold and I'd never buy a product from a company that would do that.
    What should happen with a lot of power tools is that American/Japanese
    manufacturers should adopt some of the superior European designs.
    Companies like Fein, Festool and Robland produce much safer products
    that don't rely on electronic gimmicks. For example, Festool's circular
    saws are a brilliant design. European table saws incorporate splitters
    that rise with the blade, a feature that is vastly superior to the
    goofy, tacked-on "anti-kickback" crap on domestic saws. The problem with
    American market power tools is that the manufacturers are stuck in the
    past and don't want to fundamentally update their ancient designs, some
    of which haven't changed significantly in over 50 years. Someone should
    buy them a few "clean sheets of paper" so they can start from scratch
    and do it right.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Apr 15, 2007
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  10. Rob

    Bob Adkins Guest

    Amazing technology, but not practical.

    However, that probably won't stop the gummint from shoving it down the
    manufacturer's and consumer's throats.
    -

    Bob
     
    Bob Adkins, Apr 16, 2007
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  11. Rob

    Mike Marlow Guest


    Actually, it's proving to be practical enough. Not without some nuances of
    its own, but not impractical. The inventor of the product and founder of
    the company actually tried to force this upon everyone by going the
    government route, after no manufacturer of table saws would come to terms
    with him to license his technology. So far he's been unable to persuade Big
    Brother - thankfully.
     
    Mike Marlow, Apr 16, 2007
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  12. Rob

    Bob Guest

    There's two major problems with the system....

    Wet wood will cause a false activation. Probably real expensive to recover
    from.

    If you aare wearing gloves - as you should be when operating power tools -
    it would seem that it would take longer to detect that your conductive
    finger is in the teeth for the saw. Also, wearing gloves prevents a good
    contact for the electrical return through your body in the event that your
    finger contacts the blade. Let a little pine tar (read insulator) build up
    on the blade, and it's got to take a bigger bite out of your finger before
    there's enough current flow to trigger the stop mechanism. I like to see him
    put the hot dog in the glove, and post the video of the repeat of the demo.

    Here's just one of the many patents.....

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...ND&d=PTXT&s1=gass.INNM.&OS=IN/gass&RS=IN/gass
     
    Bob, Apr 18, 2007
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  13. There is a bypass switch if you care cutting wet wood. If you are making
    furniture, that is a rarity and you certainly know if it is wet. .

    You should NOT be wearing gloves using a table saw. It is unsafe as the
    glove is more readily snagged and causing an injury. Even if you are dumb
    enough to wear gloves, it is only a millisecond to cut through them to your
    finger. A little leather or cotton is not going to obstruct a saw blade.
     
    Edwin Pawlowski, Apr 18, 2007
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