Hybrids by 2007

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Brenda, Oct 7, 2004.

  1. Brenda

    Brenda Guest

    Wednesday, October 06, 2004 commentary:
    Hyundai gearing up to launch hybrid vehicles by 2007



    Overview:

    While Korea is on a red alert over rising oil prices, Hyundai Motor
    Co., the nation's largest carmaker, is stepping up efforts to develop
    fuel-efficient cars that run on a combination of gasoline and
    electricity. Company officials said introduction of the hybrid cars
    should come around 2007 or possibly earlier. The remaining work now is
    safety testing and tuning," Kim Chul-soo, senior researcher of Hyundai
    Motor, told The Korea Herald.

    The hybrid project is quickly gaining momentum with the latest
    national campaign to tackle rising oil prices. The government said on
    Wednesday it will offer tax breaks on hybrid vehicles beginning in
    2008. Hybrid cars run on battery power at low speeds and switch to a
    traditional combustion engine at higher speeds. These engines get
    about 25 kilometers per liter - up to 50 percent greater fuel
    efficiency than gasoline-powered cars.

    Hyundai is considering introducing several hybrid models. Kia Motors
    Corp., the nation's No. 2 carmaker, is sharing research and technology
    facilities with Hyundai Motor. The fuel cell generates electricity
    from a chemical reaction of hydrogen and oxygen. Although hailed as an
    ideal car to replace gasoline power, the fuel-cell vehicles are still
    in the middle of the development process, experts say. "Producing a
    fuel-cell car is still too expensive. Moreover, countries need to
    build hydrogen fueling stations before introducing these cars and such
    a project costs an enormous amount of money.
    We will wait at least until 2010 before seeing fuel-cell cars enter
    the market," said Yun Kyung-sun, a researcher at the Korea Automobile
    Manufacturers Association.
     
    Brenda, Oct 7, 2004
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  2. I hope you are right Brenda. the best thing that could ever possibly happen
    to this nation is that we can tell the jews, arabs, and all opec to kiss
    our keesters, and be sewlf sufficient, and that not one more person have to
    die or kiss the Saudi's royal asses to get a barrel of oil. When their oil
    is gone, they will be just sand nomads again. With hydrogen power, we can
    again be truly FREE from all the tyrannical countries that now sell oil,
    and our own leaders that give tax breaks to rich affluent people that buy
    Hummers, Denalis, Navigators, Suburbans, and expeditions. These excesses
    have caused oil to skyrocket, and the poor working class of US citizen has
    to do without food, medicene, and clothing to buy fuel to go to work at
    Wal-Mart


    Gary
     
    fumunda cheeze, Oct 9, 2004
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  3. Brenda

    Brenda Guest

    Per my dealership Manager, the Tucsons are made as hybrids for fleets
    only. So I want it by the time my warranty expires in 2007 (June).
    But I learned from the gal on the phone at HyundaiUSA that it will be
    a small car not SUV coming out in 2005, not auto year 2005, so it
    sounds like it will be 2006 car.

    I do plenty of city driving, so no gas usage will delight me.
     
    Brenda, Oct 10, 2004
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  4. I would almost forgo the warranty on mine if they would produce a hydrogen
    powered vehicle. My warranty is good until 2012.

    I hope that I will live to see this technology come alive. It should be
    promoted by government officials, and the private sector.

    As long as big guzzlers of gasoline are given status symbols, and our
    government gives tax breaks for those type of products, the hydrogen fuel
    cell offerings will continue to get only minimal production and usage.
     
    fumunda cheeze, Oct 10, 2004
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  5. Brenda

    Xiaoding Guest

    People, wake up. There's a reason there are no hydrogen cars for
    sale...THEY DON'T WORK. Become familiar with the phrase "scaling up".
    Anyone can build a neato little prototype to show on tv. Hydrogen
    power will never be mass market, there are just too many problems with
    it. Oh, and the mileage fiures you see for the hybrids are fantasys,
    in real life they get 40mpg.

    Xin
     
    Xiaoding, Oct 12, 2004
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  6. Brenda

    Robert Cohen Guest

    Subject: Re: Hybrids by 2007
    unfortunately, such also appears to me as being reality, the harsh realism from
    what i subjectively have gleaned about hydrogen being overly-hyped pie in the
    blue skiies

    please join the <sci.energy.hydrogen> usenet news group for a continuing
    debate/discussion amongst diverse opinions (the pros 'n cons 'n very confused
    like me)
     
    Robert Cohen, Oct 12, 2004
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  7. I suspect the same type deductions were mad about all newly introduced
    types of power. IE: when kerosene replaced whale oil,electricity replaced
    kerosene, and diesel and gasoline replaced steam and the horse drawn
    stagecoach and carriage.

    I remember when I was a kid, and built hot rods. A guy once told me that
    the idiot that came up with fuel injection for engines, and that they would
    do away with carbureters for engines would be laughed out of the garage..
    Also an idiot that would put a master cylinder for hydraulic brakes up on
    the firewall of a car, and not under the floorboard would never work
    either. No idiot would ever use an electric fuel pump for a car or truck,
    especially mounted inside the gas tank.

    With the increasing usage by third world countries, as their economies
    improve (China) and the possibility of running out of fossil fuels in the
    future, mankind will find new scources of heat and transportation, and a
    whole new world of oportunities and jobs for those who develop it will be
    limitless. I can hardly wait as it is very exciting to live in times to see
    it become reality
     
    fumunda cheeze, Oct 13, 2004
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  8. Brenda

    Xiaoding Guest

    A lot of truth to this, but hydrogen is different from kerosene and
    whale oil in this respect: you have to MAKE it. Oil has to be
    refined, but it supplies it's own energy to do the refining. In order
    to make hydrogen, you have to burn something else, then make the
    hydrogen. Thus hydrogen is currently an energy transfer medium, not
    an energy source. Add to that the VOLUME of hydrogen needed to run a
    modern society and it just gets ridiculous.

    Even if you came up with a new way to get hydrogen from water, you
    would need facilites the size of a small continent just to store
    enough of it. And that continent would be prone to blowing up a lot.
    :)

    Nuclear, on the other hand, shows great promise. That and re-cycling
    of biological waste into oil may just provide enough to keep things
    going for awhile.
     
    Xiaoding, Oct 14, 2004
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