[QUOTE="Ken Weitzel"] Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and remember how the new fangled things work :) Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. But it takes him all day. Take care. Ken[/QUOTE] In the case of this retired guy, it takes me three days - one to decide if the bulb is, in fact, burned out. One to actually decide to change it, and one to actually get it done. As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. I know 3,000 may be a little soon in today's oil world, but it forces me under the car to check it out. Rich